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if you look at leon panetta, when he was running the cia, when he went to the cia people asked what kind of background did he have in the intelligence community? it wasn't particularly deep. he was in congress who had been a white house chief of staff, kind of an organization man. you had other cia directors that come up the ranks and they're real spy masters. petraeus came from the military. there has been a recent trend of senior intelligence officials nts government having military background. so that actually -- petraeus was a part of that wave of people who bring -- because we are having this merger in military and intelligence now, we identify threats and trouble spots and frequently we wind up sending special forces or drones our using targeted military actions to address threats. you could see someone else come from the military. again, to return to this point briefly that i made earlier, the cia is increasingly being identified by its reliance on drones and drone strikes and that kind of military side of things. petraeus was steering it very much in that direction, so i guess if
if you look at leon panetta, when he was running the cia, when he went to the cia people asked what kind of background did he have in the intelligence community? it wasn't particularly deep. he was in congress who had been a white house chief of staff, kind of an organization man. you had other cia directors that come up the ranks and they're real spy masters. petraeus came from the military. there has been a recent trend of senior intelligence officials nts government having military...
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agents or 100 cia agents. the country was unsecure, the country was in the middle of a violent revolution. he had been in the area a long time. new exactly what a really bad situation looked like, could recognize it, and really had no business being there. so there was some complicity at the state department about that. there was no reason for him to be there. you couldn't generate the kinds of forces that you woot require to defend the place in short order given a rotten situation that was taking place. there's a lot of blame going around. you could argue that the cia should have known this was a really rotten situation and could have sent a lot more agents there. if i are were the director of the cia i would argue i have no business sending more agents down there at a time when what you needed was for the ambassador to get the heck out of there. >> thank you all. stay with us. much more ahead. >>> final for the your business entrepreneurs of the week. kathleen bailey and susan kad are encouraging customers t
agents or 100 cia agents. the country was unsecure, the country was in the middle of a violent revolution. he had been in the area a long time. new exactly what a really bad situation looked like, could recognize it, and really had no business being there. so there was some complicity at the state department about that. there was no reason for him to be there. you couldn't generate the kinds of forces that you woot require to defend the place in short order given a rotten situation that was...
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all that while embattled former cia director david petraeus prepares to testify on capitol hill today. and breaking news from the middle east. as rockets are fired between the israelis and palestinians, this morning three israelis are killed. we'll have a live report coming up. first, good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. today, one scandal will give way to another in washington. david petraeus expected to testify in a closed door senate intelligence committee hearing. general petraeus is not expected to talk about his personal indiscretions that ended his cia career last week. instead, he'll be discussing details in the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya that resulted in the death of christopher stevens and three others. >>> also, the controversy over u.n. ambassador susan rice calling the assault spontaneous in september reached a boiling point. yesterday president obama and his first news conference since re-election exploded at republicans finger pointing over rice. >> if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go a
all that while embattled former cia director david petraeus prepares to testify on capitol hill today. and breaking news from the middle east. as rockets are fired between the israelis and palestinians, this morning three israelis are killed. we'll have a live report coming up. first, good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. today, one scandal will give way to another in washington. david petraeus expected to testify in a closed door senate intelligence committee hearing. general petraeus is not...
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any e-mail was not his cia e-mail. it was not like the former director who got busted taking home classified information on his home laptop. so this was not a national security matter. and it was not a criminal matter. so why was this brought up to the director of national intelligence by the fbi. we do not know. what we do know is once james clapper, head of the national intelligence, found out about the affair on election day, he urged david petraeus to resign. the following day, wednesday, mr. clapper reportedly notified staff at the white house and the following day, thursday, general petraeus sat down with president obama directly. the president did not accept his resignation initially that day. he didn't accept it until the following day, until friday. that's when it all became public. here's another question, though. why did the fbi investigation start here in the first place? what we're told about why it started is a woman who was not having an affair, she received e-mails that she perceived as threatening and
any e-mail was not his cia e-mail. it was not like the former director who got busted taking home classified information on his home laptop. so this was not a national security matter. and it was not a criminal matter. so why was this brought up to the director of national intelligence by the fbi. we do not know. what we do know is once james clapper, head of the national intelligence, found out about the affair on election day, he urged david petraeus to resign. the following day, wednesday,...
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. >> i think he took the right step, and i think it's important when you're director of the cia with all the challenges that face you, and have -- that personal integrity comes first and foremost. >> panetta a former cia director and the washington shuffle with panetta and clinton saying they want out of the second term. will john kerry now go to the pentagon? can susan rice be confirmed as secretary of state? and will nancy pelosi run for leader again? and what a welcome to washington the new class of congress arriving just in time for a classic d.c. scandal. and a different fall from grace, jon stewart, crowns himself the worst journalist in the world. >> anyone out there who thought i may have actual journalists instincts i give you a snippet of my interview. >> he loves serving, to be in the arena. i thought i was going to test him, he tested me, crushed his pelvis. he wanted to help me with the project. he can turn water into bottled water. >> the whole time i was staring at how defined her arms were. [ inaudible ]. i am the worst jurmist in the world. for god's sake the title o
. >> i think he took the right step, and i think it's important when you're director of the cia with all the challenges that face you, and have -- that personal integrity comes first and foremost. >> panetta a former cia director and the washington shuffle with panetta and clinton saying they want out of the second term. will john kerry now go to the pentagon? can susan rice be confirmed as secretary of state? and will nancy pelosi run for leader again? and what a welcome to...
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i know the cia is going to miss him. all of us on the hill are going to tremendously miss him. >> do you have any concerns that national security was ever at risk? >> you know, i just don't know enough about the details, really, at this moment to respond. i've read everything that's come out thus far and i'm sure more will come out as the week goes on. but, i just don't know enough, really, to weigh in. >> no. >> i can just say that, you know, again, he's a figure here that people respected. i know he contributed tremendously through his lifetime to our national security, and i hate to see him leave. >> well, i appreciate your candor, because it's a very sensitive situation. how about this, though, sir, from a political perspective, there are those who suggest there is more here that meets the eye. do you buy any of that talk? >> i just don't know. i mean, this is a place that's always looking for conspiracy theory. i think you know i've led the charge on benghazi. i've been to libya since it occurred. and tried to under
i know the cia is going to miss him. all of us on the hill are going to tremendously miss him. >> do you have any concerns that national security was ever at risk? >> you know, i just don't know enough about the details, really, at this moment to respond. i've read everything that's come out thus far and i'm sure more will come out as the week goes on. but, i just don't know enough, really, to weigh in. >> no. >> i can just say that, you know, again, he's a figure here...
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g mail, head of the cia. all right. >> i have to get out of the way, at least now that there's sex involved i know we'll be talking about libya, which is great. my main question is, what the hell is wrong with you people? i cannot -- >> you mean me? >> yes, men. not personally, obviously, but i don't understand why it is always since the beginning of time -- just ask adam and eve. why it is so easy to get a man to completely abandon principles, success, family, reputation? i mean, i don't get it. david petraeus is perhaps one of the most disciplined men in the history of the world based on his background and leads a spy agency, and a chick bats her eyes at him and he throws everything away. it boggles my mind. hitler whose main concern was world domination still found time for a mistress. keep your eye on the ball, guys. >> i think george clinton, great philosopher answered this question. why must i chase the cat, be like that? nothing but the dog in me. that's who we are. >> it is so embarrassing. >> i agree
g mail, head of the cia. all right. >> i have to get out of the way, at least now that there's sex involved i know we'll be talking about libya, which is great. my main question is, what the hell is wrong with you people? i cannot -- >> you mean me? >> yes, men. not personally, obviously, but i don't understand why it is always since the beginning of time -- just ask adam and eve. why it is so easy to get a man to completely abandon principles, success, family, reputation? i...
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he didn't want on record that cia intelligence was bad and that was the reason. so that "wall street journal" report we saw yesterday talking about petraeus in his final days at the cia really wanting to come out and talk publicly. we have a greater sense of why that was. of all the agencies and departments that have their hands in the libya affair, cia, dod, state, white house, fbi, i think it's clear that the cia's jurisdiction in a lot of what happened was probably minimal. that makes petraeus's downfall all the more sad, because i think of everyone the cia and david petraeus probably had the cleanest hands in all of this. we have to see. we obviously have plenty more questions going forward. >> to your point, s.e., it shows his resignation was over the extra-marital affair. >> yeah. >> i want to take a step back here on this whole issue. i mean, i think -- let me start by saying that i think the questions about the security at the consulate in benghazi are legitimate questions that deserve investigation. the thing that republicans have really glomed onto is w
he didn't want on record that cia intelligence was bad and that was the reason. so that "wall street journal" report we saw yesterday talking about petraeus in his final days at the cia really wanting to come out and talk publicly. we have a greater sense of why that was. of all the agencies and departments that have their hands in the libya affair, cia, dod, state, white house, fbi, i think it's clear that the cia's jurisdiction in a lot of what happened was probably minimal. that...
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alleged affair with cia director david petraeus with agents carrying out boxes of material. now the top military commander in afghanistan is being investigated by the pentagon for having inappropriate communications with jill kelley, the woman who first blew the whistle on broadwell's threatening e-mails. oh, boy, here we go. good morning. i'm mika brzezinski, along with joe scarborough, this is "way too early," the show that receives on average about a dozen inappropriate communications from donny deutsch every day. >> every half hour. it's a long story. by the way, shirtless as well. we will talk about that. >> that's on a good day. thanks for being up with us. shoot us an e-mail or tweet u us and let us know why you're awake right now. or do what jill kelley's twin sister does and text the word awake followed by your response to 622639. we'll read the best responses later in the show. >> you kids make sure if your dad sends an e-mail, the shirt stays on. okay? seriously. i'm tired of looking at your dad's bare chest. >>> this will be your cram session for this tuesday, no
alleged affair with cia director david petraeus with agents carrying out boxes of material. now the top military commander in afghanistan is being investigated by the pentagon for having inappropriate communications with jill kelley, the woman who first blew the whistle on broadwell's threatening e-mails. oh, boy, here we go. good morning. i'm mika brzezinski, along with joe scarborough, this is "way too early," the show that receives on average about a dozen inappropriate...
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as we know from history, cia directors can cause presidents great grief. the bay of pigs, wmd not in iraq and so forth. also, they can do very important things for presidents, like the bin laden raid, which was a covert cia -- >> i know from spending time with him in his current role, how much he loved this job, engaged by this job and had tremendous bandwidth in terms of his counterterror operation. a lot of questions who replaces him. >> very quickly, he was transforming the agency. add rocky start but he was seeing a global vision, the economic future, looking at asia, looking at china. he was going well beyond the counterterror operations. really transform that. >> he did the honorable thing. he had to resign, given this. i don't think there was any question. >> more on this when we discuss it with our roundtable, andrea mitchell, bob woodward, thank you very much. >>> i want to turn now to two key voices in the senate, democratic senator from new york, chuck schumer and oklahoma republican senator, tom coburn. senators, welcome, both of you back to "m
as we know from history, cia directors can cause presidents great grief. the bay of pigs, wmd not in iraq and so forth. also, they can do very important things for presidents, like the bin laden raid, which was a covert cia -- >> i know from spending time with him in his current role, how much he loved this job, engaged by this job and had tremendous bandwidth in terms of his counterterror operation. a lot of questions who replaces him. >> very quickly, he was transforming the...
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it started once he got to the cia. so after he left active duty and ended four months ago. they also insist that jill kelley, who s of course, the woman who says she was getting harassing e-mails from paula broadwell, his biographer and the alleged person with whom he was having the extramarital relationship, that jill kelley is just a friend. they say she's a family friend. that the families have known each other for a long time. jill kelley lives down in florida. those are the details that are starting to come out. he's starting to reach out to friends and former aides and essentially to apologize and express remorse. >> sure. it's a profoundly tragic and moving story all at once. the president will meet with several stakeholders this week, including congressional leaders on economic path forward. how confident is the president that he's got enough political capital to finally get republicans to compromise and avoid the so-called fiscal cliff before the end of the year or will it be deja vu all over again? >> reporter: we are going to have to wait and see. that's basicall
it started once he got to the cia. so after he left active duty and ended four months ago. they also insist that jill kelley, who s of course, the woman who says she was getting harassing e-mails from paula broadwell, his biographer and the alleged person with whom he was having the extramarital relationship, that jill kelley is just a friend. they say she's a family friend. that the families have known each other for a long time. jill kelley lives down in florida. those are the details that...
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this is the head of the cia. there are elements here more complicated here than just public relations. it is a frowned upon thing to have an affair when you're in the intelligence community because it can be used as leverage. it's also a frowned upon thing to have an affair in the military community because it he sets a poor example for the ranks because also it's just frowned upon. so it's not your average politician having an affair. that might be survivable. there are different complications when it involves someone in the intelligence community, let alone the head of the cia. >> but i don't want to pass over lightly how extraordinary and extraordinarily weird it is that a biographer would be investigated for trying to compromise the cia director's e-mail. this is an unprecedented possibility as far as we know it in american journalism. >> yeah. so we don't have a precedent. i've never seen anything quite like this, trying to access his e-mail. exactly what does that mean? you know, getting a -- who knows? i h
this is the head of the cia. there are elements here more complicated here than just public relations. it is a frowned upon thing to have an affair when you're in the intelligence community because it can be used as leverage. it's also a frowned upon thing to have an affair in the military community because it he sets a poor example for the ranks because also it's just frowned upon. so it's not your average politician having an affair. that might be survivable. there are different complications...
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a cia director, a u.s. military commander, a social liaison, a writer and wait for it, a shirtless fbi agent. we will try to unravel the real-life tragic comedy that is the david petraeus sex scandal. president obama takes on the role of salesman in chief. panelists steve kornacki, jonathan capehart, michael eric dyson and ashley parker weigh in. new york magazine's benjamin wallace wells explained why mitt romney america could be releg e relegated to death history. starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ ] raise the roof! ah? raise the roof! [ male announcer ] it's our biggest toy rollback of the year. find hundreds of rollbacks on the season's hottest toys in stores now, from america's gift headquarters, walmart. something this delicious could only come from nature. new nectresse. the 100% natural no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit. new nectresse. sweetness naturally. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to mak
a cia director, a u.s. military commander, a social liaison, a writer and wait for it, a shirtless fbi agent. we will try to unravel the real-life tragic comedy that is the david petraeus sex scandal. president obama takes on the role of salesman in chief. panelists steve kornacki, jonathan capehart, michael eric dyson and ashley parker weigh in. new york magazine's benjamin wallace wells explained why mitt romney america could be releg e relegated to death history. starts in a mere 180...
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inquiry into bengahzi this week wants to know what petraeus learned on a secret trip to debrief the cia station chief there shortly before he resigned. >> we have asked to see the trip report. one person said he has read it, then we try to get it and they tell us it hasn't been done. that's unacceptable. we're entitled to this trip report. if we have to go to the floor of the senate on a subpoena, we will do that. >> reporter: feinstein and michael rogers also want to know why the president didn't learn about the fbi investigation until last thursday and why they didn't learn until a day later, the day petraeus resigned. but eric canter learned tof it two weeks earlier. >>> washington lawmakers will be returning to the capitol this morning and will be buzzing about the petraeus and allen investigations. but they're also going to be faced with a much larger problem. we're talking about the trillion dollar fiscal cliff, which if not dealt with before the end of the year will impact everyone in america. so today president obama will be meeting with key labor and progressive leaders at the
inquiry into bengahzi this week wants to know what petraeus learned on a secret trip to debrief the cia station chief there shortly before he resigned. >> we have asked to see the trip report. one person said he has read it, then we try to get it and they tell us it hasn't been done. that's unacceptable. we're entitled to this trip report. if we have to go to the floor of the senate on a subpoena, we will do that. >> reporter: feinstein and michael rogers also want to know why the...
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cia lobbying to expand the drone fleet. officials say the proposal by david petraeus would bolster the strikes in pakistan and yemen. the cia is shifting in quite a remarkable way. i think it's undercovered. how important do you think this move to a para military is for the agency and the future? >> i mean it's extremely important. petraeus' affair, for all the privacy issues make people talk about the war in afghanistan and also what's happening with the cia. it didn't start with petraeus. the military started a lot of years ago. the 9/11 commission report came out in 2004 saying the cia needed to get their act together and conduct paramilitary operations in a way they haven't done before. >> the history of the agencies involved in these tends to be between the extremes between collecting and analyzing intelligence and operations. it seems like you are always asking the cia to do several impossible things. one is the untraceable operations that max mally impact the foreign policy or you are asking them to predict the futur
cia lobbying to expand the drone fleet. officials say the proposal by david petraeus would bolster the strikes in pakistan and yemen. the cia is shifting in quite a remarkable way. i think it's undercovered. how important do you think this move to a para military is for the agency and the future? >> i mean it's extremely important. petraeus' affair, for all the privacy issues make people talk about the war in afghanistan and also what's happening with the cia. it didn't start with...
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. >>> opening up behind closed doors, a week after resigning as head of the cia over an extramarital affair david petraeus heads to both sides of capitol hill this morning for hearings on what happened in the leadup and aftermath of the september attack that killed four americans in libya. >>> meanwhile, at the other end of pennsylvania avenue, president obama gets ready to sit down with congressional leaders from both parties to try to figure out the fiscal cliff. is speaker boehner ready to make a deal anytime soon? >>> plus, major news for big business. the justice department hits bp with the biggest criminal penalty ever assessed on a corporation for the 2010 gulf oil spill. >>> and so much for the ideas that twinkies last forever. bankruptcy breaks a big-time baker. >>> good morning from washington. it's friday, november 16, 2012. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert in for chuck todd who hasn't worked hard enough at all this entire election campaign, he's now going to asia to cover the president's trip. former cia director david petraeus will testify in the benghazi at
. >>> opening up behind closed doors, a week after resigning as head of the cia over an extramarital affair david petraeus heads to both sides of capitol hill this morning for hearings on what happened in the leadup and aftermath of the september attack that killed four americans in libya. >>> meanwhile, at the other end of pennsylvania avenue, president obama gets ready to sit down with congressional leaders from both parties to try to figure out the fiscal cliff. is speaker...
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and the cia director. and you were never informed. >> not only that, but an fbi agent, apparently, took it upon himself to go to members of the house and tell them. and this was outside of the general line of information. and that's deeply disturbing. so i will take a look at that to too. >> let my circle back to that. the fbi agent who had initially been contacted by this woman who was a friend of the petraeus' family, jill kelly in tampa, this fbi agent who knew her, so she went to him as far as our reporting is concerned, she went to him and asked for help. she was getting e-mails that were of concern to her, harassing or threatening e-mails. this is jill kelly, whose husband and the petraeuses has been friends for more than five years -- >> well, this is all news to me. see, we were not told this. this is the first time i've learned of this. so that makes me think, how many other things are there, too? >> well, and from what our reporting, from my colleagues, pete williams, michael isikoff and i from o
and the cia director. and you were never informed. >> not only that, but an fbi agent, apparently, took it upon himself to go to members of the house and tell them. and this was outside of the general line of information. and that's deeply disturbing. so i will take a look at that to too. >> let my circle back to that. the fbi agent who had initially been contacted by this woman who was a friend of the petraeus' family, jill kelly in tampa, this fbi agent who knew her, so she went...
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he was not an insider from the cia and the cia is a bit of an old fashioned club. there was talk -- one person at the cia and one person formerly at the cia put it to me this way. the cia would have had to ask the fbi to look into e-mails that were suspicious. the cia handles its own security and the fbi would have had to be brought into examine somebody suspiciously trying to pry into the director's account which does not suggest a real warmth within the organization. >> this is an incredible resignation with incredible timing. i have a feeling as we get more detail it's going to become an even more important story. richard engel, thank you. i feel a feeling we'll be talking about this shortly. >>> who's in charge of the republican party now? simple question with a difficult answer. that's coming up. >>> beyond the first appearance of the president since the election and the shocking surprise resignation of general >>> beyond the first appearance of the president since the election and the shocking surprise resignation of general petraeus as head of the cia, there
he was not an insider from the cia and the cia is a bit of an old fashioned club. there was talk -- one person at the cia and one person formerly at the cia put it to me this way. the cia would have had to ask the fbi to look into e-mails that were suspicious. the cia handles its own security and the fbi would have had to be brought into examine somebody suspiciously trying to pry into the director's account which does not suggest a real warmth within the organization. >> this is an...
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this is a complex cia operation that was interrupted by a terrorist attack. the cia is never going to tell you everything that they are doing or did as they should not. but that allows a lot of innuendo room for the right to say, see, we're not getting answers, not getting transparency. you can't because it's an intelligence community. they can't tell you everything. stop making it a scandal when you begin with the idea it's a scandal and then we're going to fill in backwards the details. >> the crime of watergate was much bigger than a mere burglary as you know. it was about richard nixon's attempt to rig an election and subvert the democratic process itself. are these guys such fanatics that they've forgotten the basic facts of their own country's history? >> yes. >> thank you. >> to put it shortly, yes, they have. martin, i assume you do and toure, i live in the reality-based community. >> amen. >> and i really wish that senators graham and mccain and others would immigrate over here to our side because susan rice -- this whole focus is on u.n. ambassador
this is a complex cia operation that was interrupted by a terrorist attack. the cia is never going to tell you everything that they are doing or did as they should not. but that allows a lot of innuendo room for the right to say, see, we're not getting answers, not getting transparency. you can't because it's an intelligence community. they can't tell you everything. stop making it a scandal when you begin with the idea it's a scandal and then we're going to fill in backwards the details....
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be that at the state department, the cia. >> there are two issues here. one is the physical security of the consulate itself. based on all of the intelligence that we knew, all of that information, said clearly there was a high degree of threat. i believe that there was a catastrophic failure in recognizing that threat posture clearly on that date. that's a separate issue than the intelligence issue. we had clearly the intelligence was right. clearly, others had made decisions based on that threat, including other nations, had pulled out of benghazi. we knew all of that was going on through the investigation. but the state department for whatever reason didn't make the adjustments. i argue, and i think the senator would argue, would have been prudent to protect the lives. that's one issue. but the second issue is the narrative created following it did not match the intelligence. and did the policy decisions that happened afterward cause problems for the united states? i argue it has, and we have agreed together that we'll get to the bottom of how that hap
be that at the state department, the cia. >> there are two issues here. one is the physical security of the consulate itself. based on all of the intelligence that we knew, all of that information, said clearly there was a high degree of threat. i believe that there was a catastrophic failure in recognizing that threat posture clearly on that date. that's a separate issue than the intelligence issue. we had clearly the intelligence was right. clearly, others had made decisions based on...
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there's an fbi and cia, infa infatuated with jill kelley >> let's get this straight. this guy works at the fbi, becomes infatuated. she gets shirtless photos of him allegedly. she goes to him and says i'm getting these weird e-mails. >> he takes this matter into a federal investigation you have to wonder. an fbi investigation if not for this one agent's involvement and especially him going to congress as a whistle blower saying it wasn't being investigated fairly. it's just very bizarre. >> once the fbi got involved, why didn't notify the white house and congress right away? the questions go on and on. >> don't send shirtless picture of yourself, unless they're vacation photos with your family. >> these e-mails with john allen, 20,000 and 30,000 e-mails. as a member of council of foreign relations, what does this do to the president? >> david petraeus was a very important part of all of these conversations. he would have been a crucial advisement, the civil war in syria, all of which are among the pressing foreign policy questions right now. he doesn't need him resign
there's an fbi and cia, infa infatuated with jill kelley >> let's get this straight. this guy works at the fbi, becomes infatuated. she gets shirtless photos of him allegedly. she goes to him and says i'm getting these weird e-mails. >> he takes this matter into a federal investigation you have to wonder. an fbi investigation if not for this one agent's involvement and especially him going to congress as a whistle blower saying it wasn't being investigated fairly. it's just very...
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. >> once the fbi realized it was investigating the director of the cia or the cia director had come within its focus or its scope, i believe at that time they had an absolute obligation to tell the president. not to protect david petraeus but to protect the president. >> for the latest on the fallout, let's check in with pete williams. he's been following this for us. pete, let's talk about the time line here. this happened right before the benghazi hearings. petraeus is supposed to have testified at those hearings on thursday. critics are questioning, why are we hearing about all of this later rather than sooner? >> what the fbi and the justice department say is that in the middle of this investigation -- and you have to remember, this starts out with an allegation that had nothing to do with david petraeus, it was thought. this was a woman in tampa, a volunteer at the joint command down there, who goes to an fbi agent who's a friend of hers and says, i'm getting these weird e-mails that are threatening and intimidating. it looked to her initially like they were coming from more th
. >> once the fbi realized it was investigating the director of the cia or the cia director had come within its focus or its scope, i believe at that time they had an absolute obligation to tell the president. not to protect david petraeus but to protect the president. >> for the latest on the fallout, let's check in with pete williams. he's been following this for us. pete, let's talk about the time line here. this happened right before the benghazi hearings. petraeus is supposed...
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his career at the cia is over. that's absolutely the right thing to do i have nope him for 20 years and petraeus is sort of the person the smallest little thing bothers him and to go through this, clearly a man of conscience made a grave mistake and just that, that anxiety is the sort of thing that could set anyone on edge. >> i want to turn to we just heard from accept tour shum and coburn about the fiscal cliff and talk to start about the mandate for the president in his second term, how do we define it? our colleague, ron torn yeah, wrote the following in the national journal on wednesday, digesting the election results. and this question of mandates, what he writes -- congressman, a democrat in san antonio, in a house still run by the republicans, we have a status quo election from that point of view, how do you define the mandates specifically around the fiscal cliff? >> the mandate for the american people for the congress to take action. david, we have sat here for four years in a gridlock situation and peopl
his career at the cia is over. that's absolutely the right thing to do i have nope him for 20 years and petraeus is sort of the person the smallest little thing bothers him and to go through this, clearly a man of conscience made a grave mistake and just that, that anxiety is the sort of thing that could set anyone on edge. >> i want to turn to we just heard from accept tour shum and coburn about the fiscal cliff and talk to start about the mandate for the president in his second term,...
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is david petraeus the first cia director to have an affair? surely he isn't. but what he is is a four-star general and a cia director who had the profoundly bad judgment to engage in the kind of affair that got wildly out of control and left hard drives full of proof of the affair. and so the petraeus affair is not about the sex. and i know when people say it's not about the sex, it is about the sex, but for me, it is not about the sex. i mean it. we should look at the petraeus affair as a useful window, perhaps not the only window, but a useful window into the man's judgment and everything we see through that window is a series of very reckless judgments. one good thing about the petraeus affair is that he's finally getting some balanced coverage in the news media. "time" magazine, which has previously been as worshipful of general petraeus as the rest of the media, has this in the middle of its petraeus affair cover story. petraeus is a remarkable piece of fiction created and promoted by neocons in government, the media, and academia, argues doug mass mcgreg
is david petraeus the first cia director to have an affair? surely he isn't. but what he is is a four-star general and a cia director who had the profoundly bad judgment to engage in the kind of affair that got wildly out of control and left hard drives full of proof of the affair. and so the petraeus affair is not about the sex. and i know when people say it's not about the sex, it is about the sex, but for me, it is not about the sex. i mean it. we should look at the petraeus affair as a...
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under the new system the director of the cia reports to clapper. clapper is his boss, and they thought that clapper should know. he controls the security clearances. let him make the decision about whether it was proper to keep david petraeus on the job. obviously clapper felt it wasn't and told petraeus he ought to resign. >> i guess it's one of those cases once people know about it, the catch-22 is you have to do something about it or else you're part of the cover-up. maybe that's the way they look at it. pete williams, as always, thank you, sir. >> that's right. >> do you have a thought? >> i was going to say one other thing, by certainly mid to late october petraeus knows he's under investigation. he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." a
under the new system the director of the cia reports to clapper. clapper is his boss, and they thought that clapper should know. he controls the security clearances. let him make the decision about whether it was proper to keep david petraeus on the job. obviously clapper felt it wasn't and told petraeus he ought to resign. >> i guess it's one of those cases once people know about it, the catch-22 is you have to do something about it or else you're part of the cover-up. maybe that's the...
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the cia is extremely important. and we need to move on and get on with protecting this nation and finding out the things we need to know. >> congressman larson, general petraeus was expected to testify next week in front of the senate intelligence committee behind closed doors. what does this mean? he's not going to testify unless he's subpoenaed. do you think he needs to step forward? or is he a citizen going on about his way? >> i think that he's a citizen going on his way. i think the point that john makes that certainly the cia is very capable and very competent and will provide the hearing and the information that is needed. i think in part people would probably like to see general petraeus come forward and testify behind closed doors because of what he knows. i'm sure his staff is equipped and prepared with regard to that. >> okay. great to have you both with us here on "the ed show." appreciate your time. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us. we want t
the cia is extremely important. and we need to move on and get on with protecting this nation and finding out the things we need to know. >> congressman larson, general petraeus was expected to testify next week in front of the senate intelligence committee behind closed doors. what does this mean? he's not going to testify unless he's subpoenaed. do you think he needs to step forward? or is he a citizen going on about his way? >> i think that he's a citizen going on his way. i...
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he was not an insider from the cia and the cia is a bit of an old fashioned club. there was talk -- one person at the cia and one person formerly at the cia put it to me this way. the cia would have had to ask the fbi to look into e-mails that were suspicious. the cia handles its own security and the fbi would have had to be brought into examine somebody suspiciously trying to pry into the director's account which does not suggest a real warmth within the organization. >> this is an incredible resignation with incredible timing. i have a feeling as we get more detail it's going to become an even more important story. richard engel, thank you. i feel a feeling we'll be talking about this shortly. >>> who's in charge of the republican party now? simple question with a difficult answer. that's coming up. ♪ announcing the all-new 2013 malibu from chevrolet. ♪ with a remarkable new interior featuring the available chevrolet mylink infotainment system. this is where sophisticated styling begins. and where it ends? that's up to you. it's here -- the greatest malibu ev
he was not an insider from the cia and the cia is a bit of an old fashioned club. there was talk -- one person at the cia and one person formerly at the cia put it to me this way. the cia would have had to ask the fbi to look into e-mails that were suspicious. the cia handles its own security and the fbi would have had to be brought into examine somebody suspiciously trying to pry into the director's account which does not suggest a real warmth within the organization. >> this is an...
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you have a presidential election, you have the fbi and the cia kind of going at each other. you have an interagency dispute over the benghazi affair. let's not forget that two weeks ago, "the wall street journal" had a pretty damning article kind of pointing the finger at the cia for the benghazi debacle. a lot of people said then petraeus got thrown under the bus. i don't know if we're going to find out what the hell is going on here for weeks, months and even years. >> lindsey graham says petraeus better testify this week. his number two is now going to talk about the lead-up and what happened in terms of benghazi. but do you think he'll eventually have to testify? how much pressure do you think there is coming from capitol hill? >> i think there will be quite a bit of pressure. but it's not like his deputy isn't reading the same files that he is. i think they'll get just as informative a briefing from his deputy as you would from petraeus. but there will be pressure from capitol hill, definitely, going forward. we'll have to see what happens. hate to say it. there are a l
you have a presidential election, you have the fbi and the cia kind of going at each other. you have an interagency dispute over the benghazi affair. let's not forget that two weeks ago, "the wall street journal" had a pretty damning article kind of pointing the finger at the cia for the benghazi debacle. a lot of people said then petraeus got thrown under the bus. i don't know if we're going to find out what the hell is going on here for weeks, months and even years. >> lindsey...
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this is the first time we've seen, as i say, the former cia director. joining me now is michael leiter, nbc news terrorism expert and former director of the national counterterrorism center at the cia. you've had long experience working there and you know what this agency is going through right now. it's extraordinary. they announced yesterday inspector general's investigation into whether david petraeus used his security detail, his planes, the facilities of office, resources of the agency, to further, to advance this relationship which we now he has acknowledged was paula broadwell. >> they did announce that. i think they made clear in that announcement this was completely precautionary. they were not suggesting he had done anything wrong. they thought this was right in light of all the news and attention that's been cast on the cia and as you say, this makes it a very difficult time for the cia during incredible international upheaval. >> we'll talk about in a moment. i want to ask you about the conflicts consensus on what benghazi was. petraeus, by
this is the first time we've seen, as i say, the former cia director. joining me now is michael leiter, nbc news terrorism expert and former director of the national counterterrorism center at the cia. you've had long experience working there and you know what this agency is going through right now. it's extraordinary. they announced yesterday inspector general's investigation into whether david petraeus used his security detail, his planes, the facilities of office, resources of the agency, to...
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. >>> plus spy fall, what we're learning about the affair that brought down the cia chief and perhaps derailed the promotion of the top general. and has been tabloid fodder now for almost a week. >>> and besides complaining about how president obama won re-election by giving away gifts to minorities and young voters, ever wonder what mitt romney has done -- actually been doing since the election? well, david letterman has an idea. >> today mitt romney drew a picture of the house of representatives chamber and gave a state of the union address in front of it. >> and the fourth new entitlement, obama care, we repeal that one. >> message from pretend president romney. >> got a few more of those sugar plums in the side shows. let me finish way book about when we hay hero for a president. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios >>> time to bust another 2012 election myth. the i
. >>> plus spy fall, what we're learning about the affair that brought down the cia chief and perhaps derailed the promotion of the top general. and has been tabloid fodder now for almost a week. >>> and besides complaining about how president obama won re-election by giving away gifts to minorities and young voters, ever wonder what mitt romney has done -- actually been doing since the election? well, david letterman has an idea. >> today mitt romney drew a picture of...
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>> no. >> you said the cia said okay to the revised report? >> they okayed it to go. yeah, they said okay. >> no apology for ambassador susan rice after a full week of just trashing her? these republicans have a lot of explaining to do for their behavior this week, don't you think? ambassador rice has been exonerated, it took one day. although if you watch fox news, there's still a conspiracy afoot. >> nothing about the attack, nothing about al qaeda, nothing about that al qaeda was involved. to me, the question right now is who changed those talking points and why? >> that is the big question at this hour. who changed the talking points and why? >> republicans are doing whatever it takes to fake a scandal in the obama administration. paul waldman calls it scandal envy. nixon had watergate, clinton had lewinsky, barack obama, well, he's gotten off scot-free, and this is making the republicans absolutely livid, he writes. republicans are not going to get the watergate this time around. senator harry reid wrote a letter to john mccain and lindsey graham saying a select
>> no. >> you said the cia said okay to the revised report? >> they okayed it to go. yeah, they said okay. >> no apology for ambassador susan rice after a full week of just trashing her? these republicans have a lot of explaining to do for their behavior this week, don't you think? ambassador rice has been exonerated, it took one day. although if you watch fox news, there's still a conspiracy afoot. >> nothing about the attack, nothing about al qaeda, nothing about...
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to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david, and richard, that's "hardball" for now. coming up next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. since my first twenty-ninth birthday. [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. live flake free. campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david, and richard, that's "hardball" for now. coming up next, "your...
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that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that. >> joe sestak, good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >> absolutely. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of layoffs. he's blaming president obama's re-election. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the re-election of our first african-american president. msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson will weigh in on the racist reactions around the country. >>> thanks for staying with us tonight. the leader of a comp
that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that....
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as a former cia director. if they found out the director was having an affair, the committee should have been informed. but the view is there's a narrow rule about when you notify congressional committees of investigations and they felt this didn't fit. >> thank you very much. great pleasure having you on with the latest information. let me bring in msnbc analyst general barry mccaffery. thank you for your time. let me get your first reaction. yesterday we were still scratching our heads over general petraeus, how could this happen. and you wake up this morning and now general allen a part of an investigation. what's your reaction to this one-two punch? >> well, you know, general petraeus i have known him since he was 25. he's probably the most brilliant commander we have produced since world war ii. so it's a damaging blow to national security to lose him in this position. he had to resign, risk-taking behavior is probably unacceptable by anybody. >> when you say risk-taking, is it the possibly exposure of hi
as a former cia director. if they found out the director was having an affair, the committee should have been informed. but the view is there's a narrow rule about when you notify congressional committees of investigations and they felt this didn't fit. >> thank you very much. great pleasure having you on with the latest information. let me bring in msnbc analyst general barry mccaffery. thank you for your time. let me get your first reaction. yesterday we were still scratching our heads...
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to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morrell who is a career agency analyst, michael morrell has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david corn and thank you, dee dee myers. >>> coming up, buy romney lost i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! email marketing from constant contact reaches people in a place they're checking every day -- their inbox. and it gives you the tools to create custom emails that drive business. it's just one of the ways constant contact can help you grow your small business. sign up for your free trial today at constantcontact.com/try. to b
to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morrell who is a career agency analyst, michael morrell has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david corn and thank you, dee dee myers. >>> coming up, buy romney lost i...
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the resignation of the general petraeus who stepped down as cia director on friday. multiple government sources tell nbc news that e-mails between petraeus and broadwell were indicative of an extramarital affair. kristen welker is joining me. let's start with the fbi investigation into this biographer paula broadwell. what can you tell us about this at this point? >> the fbi has opened up an investigation to determine whether paula broadwell had access to general petraeus' e-mail. general petraeus is not under investigation and they don't expect their inquiry will result in criminal charges. now, we have reached out to paula broadwell. we haven't heard back from her yet. she is, of course, at the center of this scandal. so who is she? she is a harvard graduate, also went to west point and she wrote this biography that i have here in my hands. it's called "all in," the education of general petraeus. it's a thick book but i want to read a lig sellment. she says, his critics fault him for ambition. i will note that he is driven and goal-orient d. so just one sentence in
the resignation of the general petraeus who stepped down as cia director on friday. multiple government sources tell nbc news that e-mails between petraeus and broadwell were indicative of an extramarital affair. kristen welker is joining me. let's start with the fbi investigation into this biographer paula broadwell. what can you tell us about this at this point? >> the fbi has opened up an investigation to determine whether paula broadwell had access to general petraeus' e-mail. general...
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that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that. >> joe sestak, good to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate it so much. >> absolutely. >>> coming up, a coal boss announces a series of layoffs. he's blaming president obama's re-election. find out how workers are paying the price for a ceo's personal politics. >>> and it got pretty ugly out there following the re-election of our first african-american president. msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson will weigh in on the racist reactions around the country. g to come back from rough economic times. employees are bein
that the fbi does crimes, not the cia. and so this is the proper course to take, and, look, again, transparency and accountability is what we most want in our leadership. look, this is tough, ed. you and i both know it. to a general who's done so much for this nation. but i'll tell you, ed, i think this shows what kind of a man he was that, yeah, he did his soul searching but handed in his resignation. that's what we're trained to do as good leaders. people should take a lesson from that....
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>> no. >> you said the cia said okay to the revised report? >> they okayed it to go. yeah, they said okay. >> no apology for ambassador susan rice after a full week of just trashing her? these republicans have a lot of explaining to do for their behavior this week, don't you think? ambassador rice has been exonerated, it took one day. although if you watch fox news, there's still a cop spear si afoot. >> nothing about the attack, nothing about al qaeda, nothing about that al qaeda was involved. to me, the question right now is who changed those talking points and why? >> that is the big question at this hour. who changed the talking points and why? >> republicans are doing whatever it takes to fake a scandal in the obama administration. paul waldman calls it scandal envy. nixon had watergate, clinton had lewinsky, barack obama, well, he's gotten off scot-free, and this is making the republicans absolutely livid, he writes. republicans are not going to get the watergate this time around. senator harry reid wrote a letter to john mccain and lindsey graham saying a selec
>> no. >> you said the cia said okay to the revised report? >> they okayed it to go. yeah, they said okay. >> no apology for ambassador susan rice after a full week of just trashing her? these republicans have a lot of explaining to do for their behavior this week, don't you think? ambassador rice has been exonerated, it took one day. although if you watch fox news, there's still a cop spear si afoot. >> nothing about the attack, nothing about al qaeda, nothing...
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we're also talking about the cia director. so i would presume that a lot of these folks that were investigating this were extremely sensitive to all of those environmental factors, if you will, to make sure that they get it right. >> right. and i think the question in the congressional hearings will be, beyond the sensitivity, did they meet their obligations? it's significant that senator feinstein was a democrat who didn't have an ax to grind against the president is raising those timeline questions. we will continue on this story here on msnbc. after the break, in this show, president obama will be honoring u.s. servicemen and women on veterans day, saying we must do more to support them. we are going to take stock of what the country is doing right now for its troops when they return home. that's up next on "now." ♪ [ male announcer ] from our nation's networks... ♪ ...to our city streets... ♪ ...to skies around the world... ♪ ...northrop grumman's security solutions are invisibly at work, protecting people's lives.
we're also talking about the cia director. so i would presume that a lot of these folks that were investigating this were extremely sensitive to all of those environmental factors, if you will, to make sure that they get it right. >> right. and i think the question in the congressional hearings will be, beyond the sensitivity, did they meet their obligations? it's significant that senator feinstein was a democrat who didn't have an ax to grind against the president is raising those...
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the fallout continues over the resignation of former cia director general petraeus. petraeus stepped down citing an extramarital affair. an investigation began over the summer when jill kelley, a petraeus family friend, contacted the agency after receiving anonymous harassing e-mails. nbc news investigative correspondent michael isikoff describes what was in those e-mails. >> they accuse her of improper socializing. but they have references to the comings and goings to general petraeus. >> the fbi followed the computer trail that led them to paula broadwell. both broadwell and petraeus admitted they were having an affair after reviewing evidence prosecutors concluded no crimes were committed, but now some members of congress are saying that they or president obama should have been notified that such an investigation was even being conducted. it's curious timing for the conspiracy theorists at fox news. they are still beating the drum on benghazi. petraeus was supposed to testify over the matter. >> based on the evidence we had then, this was the obama administration'
the fallout continues over the resignation of former cia director general petraeus. petraeus stepped down citing an extramarital affair. an investigation began over the summer when jill kelley, a petraeus family friend, contacted the agency after receiving anonymous harassing e-mails. nbc news investigative correspondent michael isikoff describes what was in those e-mails. >> they accuse her of improper socializing. but they have references to the comings and goings to general petraeus....